From chas.argent at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 03:45:48 2008 From: chas.argent at gmail.com (Chas Argent) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:45:48 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! Message-ID: http://www.multimanpublishing.com/preorder/viewGame.php?id=57 -- Chas Argent Catonsville, MD, USA chas.argent at gmail.com From chas.argent at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 04:33:34 2008 From: chas.argent at gmail.com (Chas Argent) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 07:33:34 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! Message-ID: http://www.multimanpublishing.com/preorder/viewGame.php?id=57 -- Chas Argent Baltimore, MD, USA chas.argent at gmail.com From craig.p.walters at monsanto.com Mon Apr 7 06:45:45 2008 From: craig.p.walters at monsanto.com (WALTERS, CRAIG P [AG/1000]) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:45:45 -0500 Subject: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <11B103E2F80A8D45865D376D16929961196C98@NA1000EXM02.na.ds.monsanto.com> Interesting that it is cheaper to ship to Mexico and Canada than to the USA. -----Original Message----- From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net [mailto:aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net] On Behalf Of Chas Argent Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:46 AM To: ASL Mailing List Subject: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! http://www.multimanpublishing.com/preorder/viewGame.php?id=57 -- Chas Argent Catonsville, MD, USA chas.argent at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Aslml mailing list Aslml at lists.aslml.net http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and is intended to be received only by persons entitled to receive such information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. Please delete it and all attachments from any servers, hard drives or any other media. Other use of this e-mail by you is strictly prohibited. All e-mails and attachments sent and received are subject to monitoring, reading and archival by Monsanto, including its subsidiaries. The recipient of this e-mail is solely responsible for checking for the presence of "Viruses" or other "Malware". Monsanto, along with its subsidiaries, accepts no liability for any damage caused by any such code transmitted by or accompanying this e-mail or any attachment. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cfago at ix.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 16:06:29 2008 From: cfago at ix.netcom.com (Carl D. Fago) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:06:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! Message-ID: <2462456.1207609589635.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Huh? Shows $8.50 for US shipping (one AP) and $8.50 for Canada & Mexico (one game). But at two games, the Canada & Mexico shipping goes higher than U.S. Carl -----Original Message----- >From: "WALTERS, CRAIG P [AG/1000]" >Sent: Apr 7, 2008 9:45 AM >To: Chas Argent , ASL Mailing List >Subject: Re: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! > >Interesting that it is cheaper to ship to Mexico and Canada than to the >USA. > >-----Original Message----- >From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net >[mailto:aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net] On Behalf Of Chas Argent >Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:46 AM >To: ASL Mailing List >Subject: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! > >http://www.multimanpublishing.com/preorder/viewGame.php?id=57 > >-- >Chas Argent >Catonsville, MD, USA >chas.argent at gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >Aslml mailing list >Aslml at lists.aslml.net >http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net >To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This e-mail message may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and is intended to be received only by persons entitled to receive such information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. Please delete it and all attachments from any servers, hard drives or any other media. Other use of this e-mail by you is strictly prohibited. > > >All e-mails and attachments sent and received are subject to monitoring, reading and archival by Monsanto, including its subsidiaries. The recipient of this e-mail is solely responsible for checking for the presence of "Viruses" or other "Malware". Monsanto, along with its subsidiaries, accepts no liability for any damage caused by any such code transmitted by or accompanying this e-mail or any attachment. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Aslml mailing list >Aslml at lists.aslml.net >http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net >To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net From bignoodle at earthlink.net Mon Apr 7 16:16:44 2008 From: bignoodle at earthlink.net (donald holland) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:16:44 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! Message-ID: <380-22008417231644627@earthlink.net> Welcome to the age of the hyper-inflated Dollar. By next year, the MMP guys will be hand-delivering things to Canada. (And getting paid in Loonies) Don "Big Noodle" Holland bignoodle at earthlink.net VASL V5 ROCKS!!! > [Original Message] > From: Carl D. Fago > To: WALTERS,CRAIG P [AG/1000] ; Chas Argent ; ASL Mailing List > Date: 4/7/2008 7:06:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! > > Huh? Shows $8.50 for US shipping (one AP) and $8.50 for Canada & Mexico (one game). But at two games, the Canada & Mexico shipping goes higher than U.S. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "WALTERS, CRAIG P [AG/1000]" > >Sent: Apr 7, 2008 9:45 AM > >To: Chas Argent , ASL Mailing List > >Subject: Re: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! > > > >Interesting that it is cheaper to ship to Mexico and Canada than to the > >USA. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net > >[mailto:aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net] On Behalf Of Chas Argent > >Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:46 AM > >To: ASL Mailing List > >Subject: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! > > > >http://www.multimanpublishing.com/preorder/viewGame.php?id=57 > > > >-- > >Chas Argent > >Catonsville, MD, USA > >chas.argent at gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Aslml mailing list > >Aslml at lists.aslml.net > >http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > >To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ > >This e-mail message may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and is intended to be received only by persons entitled to receive such information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. Please delete it and all attachments from any servers, hard drives or any other media. Other use of this e-mail by you is strictly prohibited. > > > > > >All e-mails and attachments sent and received are subject to monitoring, reading and archival by Monsanto, including its subsidiaries. The recipient of this e-mail is solely responsible for checking for the presence of "Viruses" or other "Malware". Monsanto, along with its subsidiaries, accepts no liability for any damage caused by any such code transmitted by or accompanying this e-mail or any attachment. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Aslml mailing list > >Aslml at lists.aslml.net > >http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > >To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net From chas.argent at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 18:36:45 2008 From: chas.argent at gmail.com (Chas Argent) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! In-Reply-To: <2462456.1207609589635.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2462456.1207609589635.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: There was an error in the shipping calculator to Canada and Mexico which has been fixed, thanks to Craig's observation. ~Chas On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Carl D. Fago wrote: > Huh? Shows $8.50 for US shipping (one AP) and $8.50 for Canada & Mexico (one game). But at two games, the Canada & Mexico shipping goes higher than U.S. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "WALTERS, CRAIG P [AG/1000]" > >Sent: Apr 7, 2008 9:45 AM > >To: Chas Argent , ASL Mailing List > >Subject: Re: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! > > > >Interesting that it is cheaper to ship to Mexico and Canada than to the > >USA. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net > >[mailto:aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net] On Behalf Of Chas Argent > >Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:46 AM > >To: ASL Mailing List > >Subject: [Aslml] Action Pack 4: Normandy 1944 is UP for Preorder! > > > >http://www.multimanpublishing.com/preorder/viewGame.php?id=57 > > > >-- > >Chas Argent > >Catonsville, MD, USA > >chas.argent at gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Aslml mailing list > >Aslml at lists.aslml.net > >http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > >To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This e-mail message may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and is intended to be received only by persons entitled to receive such information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. Please delete it and all attachments from any servers, hard drives or any other media. Other use of this e-mail by you is strictly prohibited. > > > > > >All e-mails and attachments sent and received are subject to monitoring, reading and archival by Monsanto, including its subsidiaries. The recipient of this e-mail is solely responsible for checking for the presence of "Viruses" or other "Malware". Monsanto, along with its subsidiaries, accepts no liability for any damage caused by any such code transmitted by or accompanying this e-mail or any attachment. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Aslml mailing list > >Aslml at lists.aslml.net > >http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > >To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > > > > -- Chas Argent Baltimore, MD, USA chas.argent at gmail.com From derek.tocher at btinternet.com Wed Apr 9 12:31:42 2008 From: derek.tocher at btinternet.com (Derek Tocher) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:31:42 +0100 Subject: [Aslml] Crusaders Ladder updated with HEROES 2008 results Message-ID: <20080409193148.B87E648003@diego.dreamhost.com> Guys The Crusader Ladder has now been updated with the HEROES 2008 results. The next update will be after Double One at the end of June. Sorry if you get more than one copy of this message. The full ladder is at:- http://www.btinternet.com/~derek.tocher/Fullladder.htm and the active player is at:- http://www.btinternet.com/~derek.tocher/alternativeladder.htm Best wishes Derek From llm at memmott.us Sun Apr 13 03:25:30 2008 From: llm at memmott.us (Larry L. Memmott) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:25:30 +0800 Subject: [Aslml] Dispatches from the Bunker Issue #26 has Shipped. In-Reply-To: <446738.70675.qm@web32606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <446738.70675.qm@web32606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c89d50$b61568a0$6401a8c0@LarrysHPm7570n> Hey Vic, I suppose this is obvious, and you probably have lots of offers, but I would be perfectly happy to host the heritage Bunker issues on the WebDex, if you liked. Larry -----Original Message----- From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net [mailto:aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net] On Behalf Of Vic Provost Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:12 AM To: ASL Mailing List Current May 2004 Subject: [Aslml] Dispatches from the Bunker Issue #26 has Shipped. Greetings from the Bunker to all at the Main ASL Mailing List. I am very Pleased to announce that Issue #26, which recently made its publishing debut at the Nor'Easter Tournament has shipped out this past weekend. We are indeed quite pleased with the 3 scenarios for #26. The scenarios are concentrating on the ETO this time with 2 actions in Italy and one combined arms beast on the Eastern Front. They are: Commandos Hold Fast: This is the first of 3 actions Adam Lunney submitted to me a couple years ago, with a couple platoons of British Commandos holding the SSR defined Olive Groves on Board 35 against 2 company sized waves of Panzergrenadiers from the 16th Panzer Div. A 6 lb 57L AT Gun gives the Brits a fighting chance and will give the German Panzer IVs caution in their advance. The German has a big edge in numbers but never count out those Commandos. Murphy Go Help the British: The 3rd in the ongoing Fabulous Thunderbirds series, this action sees them trying to wrest the high ground from tough German defenders from the Herman Goering Div. on Boards 9 & 15. It's uphill all the way but with numbers in their favor and a nice light armor matchup highlighting this fine design from Joe Gochinski. Shock at Kamenewo: Tom Morin's latest is an Eastern Front, combined arms melee with 18 Russian rifle squads and 10 various heavy and medium tanks attacking mixed elements of the 4th Panzer Div. spread out along 1/2 boards 4, 11, & 44. What makes this one unique is the Russian armor sets up HIP before bursting out of the woods. The German has a mix of elite and 1st line rifles along with medium tanks, 88L AA and 105 ART guns to combat the Russian onslaught. This has been a huge hit at the club and shows much promise. Also in #26 is another fine article by Jim Torkelson, he's looking at the Monster Scenario VotG1 The First Bid, After spending considerable time on Making a Mess with Fire and Rubble, Carl Nogueira will now put his focus on the Urban Battlefield in Stalingrad with elements of RB and VotG to be examined in an ongoing series of tips for our BackPage. I'll have analysis of the new scenarios and more ASL home-cooking with a wrap-up on the Bunker Bash and Albany tourney and a preview of the Nor'Easter. Also Please remember that Dispatch #23 is devoted to VotG including the 3 scenarios that Tom Morin designed specifically for the newsletter, analysis of each, Tom's VotG Saga and Jim Torkelson's look at VotG from the German point of view. For those unfamiliar with Dispatches, it is a 12 page Amateur ASL Newsletter that comes to the greater ASL Community twice a year, sometime in March and September courtesy of the New England ASL Community, including the Bunker Crew and our yasl Brothers in Southern New England. It typically contains 3 New Scenarios, Analysis of each one, a Main Article on any aspect of the game system, Tactical Tips, ASL News and Tournament Updates from our region. You may now view samples of our work at the ASL Webdex at: http://www.aslwebdex.net/ The specific page is at: http://www.aslwebdex.net/aslwebdex/Publishers/Bunker/bunker.html Thanks to Larry Memmott for giving us space there, you can view pdf. files of Issues #01 & #09 there, including the always popular Mighty Maus scenario. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Aslml mailing list Aslml at lists.aslml.net http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net From eit11205 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 10:14:00 2008 From: eit11205 at yahoo.com (CLAYTON QUEEN) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Aslml] Movement Question Message-ID: <335793.57685.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> How many MF does it take to move into a Gully/Orchard hex? How many MF does it take to move from a Gully/ORchard hex into another Gully/Orchard hex? Thanks. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From damavs at alltel.net Mon Apr 21 06:46:09 2008 From: damavs at alltel.net (Bret & Julie Hildebran) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 9:46:09 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Movement Question Message-ID: <20080421134609.RWQP9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> CLAYTON QUEEN writes: > How many MF does it take to move into a Gully/Orchard > hex? 3MF - the movement cost in combo terrain is cumulative so 2 + 1 for 3. > How many MF does it take to move from a Gully/ORchard > hex into another Gully/Orchard hex? Again it should be 3 presuming it's through a gully hexside - it'd be 6 if the unit had to go "up and then back down" through a non-gully hexside. Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org From garciagd at velocity.net Mon Apr 21 08:52:46 2008 From: garciagd at velocity.net (roger whelan) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:52:46 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Movement Question References: <20080421134609.RWQP9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000601c8a3c7$be97add0$3903010a@gecac.org> Hi! So if there is any other terrain besides OG in the hex is cumulative? I thought the answer was going to be "2" since orchards are only 1.... WOW does not come up much been playing that one wrong (wish I had a dollar for every time I said that)...... Peace roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bret & Julie Hildebran" To: "CLAYTON QUEEN" ; Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Aslml] Movement Question > CLAYTON QUEEN writes: >> How many MF does it take to move into a Gully/Orchard >> hex? > > 3MF - the movement cost in combo terrain is cumulative so 2 + 1 for 3. > >> How many MF does it take to move from a Gully/ORchard >> hex into another Gully/Orchard hex? > > Again it should be 3 presuming it's through a gully hexside - it'd be 6 if > the unit had to go "up and then back down" through a non-gully hexside. > > Bret Hildebran > damavs at alltel.net > www.aslok.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > > From klas_malmstrom at yahoo.se Mon Apr 21 09:21:43 2008 From: klas_malmstrom at yahoo.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?Klas=20Malmstr=F6m?=) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:21:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Aslml] Movement Question In-Reply-To: <20080421134609.RWQP9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <165261.45867.qm@web27905.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi, --- Bret & Julie Hildebran skrev: > CLAYTON QUEEN writes: > > How many MF does it take to move into a Gully/Orchard > > hex? > > 3MF - the movement cost in combo terrain is cumulative so 2 + 1 for 3. > > > How many MF does it take to move from a Gully/ORchard > > hex into another Gully/Orchard hex? > > Again it should be 3 presuming it's through a gully hexside - it'd be 6 if > the unit had to go "up and then back down" through a non-gully hexside. I think the last move "up and then back down" would cost 5MF - two for the intermediate level up and then another 3 to go INTO the orchar-gully hex. Regards, Klas Malmstrom ------------------------------------------------------- Klas Malmstrom Linkoping, Sweden Email: klas_malmstrom at yahoo.se ------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ G?r det l?ngsamt? Skaffa dig en snabbare bredbandsuppkoppling. S?k och j?mf?r hos Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.se/c-100015813-bredband.html?partnerId=96914325 From damavs at alltel.net Mon Apr 21 11:03:44 2008 From: damavs at alltel.net (Bret & Julie Hildebran) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:03:44 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Movement Question Message-ID: <20080421180344.CGMM22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Klas Malmstr?m writes: > I think the last move "up and then back down" would cost 5MF - two for the > intermediate level up and then another 3 to go INTO the orchar-gully hex. Yah - I'd agree. Originally I was going to put 5 & then thought about buildings doubling & just went 6 off the cuff, but that's a different case given it's all up and this one is an up and then a down. Thanks for keeping me honest... Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org From oleboe at broadpark.no Mon Apr 21 11:48:21 2008 From: oleboe at broadpark.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ole_B=F8e?=) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:48:21 +0200 Subject: [Aslml] Movement Question In-Reply-To: <000601c8a3c7$be97add0$3903010a@gecac.org> References: <20080421134609.RWQP9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> <000601c8a3c7$be97add0$3903010a@gecac.org> Message-ID: <480CE175.5060904@broadpark.no> Hi, roger whelan wrote: > Hi! > > So if there is any other terrain besides OG in the hex is cumulative? Yes. > I thought the answer was going to be "2" since orchards are only 1.... > > That would make certain sense, but B19.4 is clear: "Movement costs for entry INTO a gully hex containing other terrain types are cumulative (i.e., it costs four MF to enter a gully-woods hex)." From klas_malmstrom at yahoo.se Mon Apr 21 23:28:59 2008 From: klas_malmstrom at yahoo.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?Klas=20Malmstr=F6m?=) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:28:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Aslml] Movement Question In-Reply-To: <480CE175.5060904@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <654717.74693.qm@web27901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi, --- Ole B?e skrev: > > Hi, > roger whelan wrote: > > Hi! > > > > So if there is any other terrain besides OG in the hex is cumulative? > Yes. > > I thought the answer was going to be "2" since orchards are only 1.... > > > That would make certain sense, but B19.4 is clear: "Movement costs for > entry INTO a gully hex containing other terrain types are cumulative > (i.e., it costs four MF to enter a gully-woods hex)." It is also clear from the terrain chart which says in the Infantry column: "2*" and in the Notes column says: "+COT if not Open Ground" Regards, Klas Malmstrom ------------------------------------------------------- Klas Malmstrom Linkoping, Sweden Email: klas_malmstrom at yahoo.se ------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ G?r det l?ngsamt? Skaffa dig en snabbare bredbandsuppkoppling. S?k och j?mf?r hos Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.se/c-100015813-bredband.html?partnerId=96914325 From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 06:28:01 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:28:01 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? -- Paul ----------------------------------- "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives of others." - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 06:37:48 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:37:48 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <2ec14d9b0804220635o1370dafat62e9952723acd6fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <2ec14d9b0804220635o1370dafat62e9952723acd6fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804220637g5f308b60y105ef4b6946252b8@mail.gmail.com> About $80/yr. We are good until April 21, 2009. On 4/22/08, Mario Butter wrote: > I hate forums and like mail lists. If you let this list die, I will > resurrect it on one of my servers. > > How much are you paying now? From mort at bork.org Tue Apr 22 06:51:46 2008 From: mort at bork.org (Martin Hicks) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:51:46 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080422135146.GE9710@laplace.bork.org> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:01AM -0400, Paul Ferraro wrote: > The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? > > I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and > solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, > if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. > If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably > have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) > > I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this > service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. > So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? I just joined the List again, after a long hiatus. I will never follow a Web Forum, I just find e-mail lists so much more useful and easy to use. Could we not join the two entities together with a gateway, so each could use their preferred access method? I'd be in for $1/yr if there's some way to unite the forum with a list gateway. I really didn't realize that there was an alternative to the e-mail list, since I've been out of the loop for so long, and was a bit disappointed with the almost nonexistent volume of postings. mh -- Martin Hicks || mort at bork.org || PGP/GnuPG: 0x4C7F2BEE From mort at bork.org Tue Apr 22 06:52:52 2008 From: mort at bork.org (Martin Hicks) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:52:52 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804220637g5f308b60y105ef4b6946252b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <2ec14d9b0804220635o1370dafat62e9952723acd6fb@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220637g5f308b60y105ef4b6946252b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080422135252.GF9710@laplace.bork.org> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 09:37:48AM -0400, Paul Ferraro wrote: > About $80/yr. We are good until April 21, 2009. > > On 4/22/08, Mario Butter wrote: > > I hate forums and like mail lists. If you let this list die, I will > > resurrect it on one of my servers. I was tempted to volunteer the same. I already run mailman for a few different lists, and as such I already pay for Electricity and maintaining the server. mh -- Martin Hicks || mort at bork.org || PGP/GnuPG: 0x4C7F2BEE From asl at howardhowardfine.com Tue Apr 22 09:32:41 2008 From: asl at howardhowardfine.com (asl at howardhowardfine.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:32:41 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Will this work? Message-ID: Test test aiyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee From asl at howardhowardfine.com Tue Apr 22 09:34:49 2008 From: asl at howardhowardfine.com (asl at howardhowardfine.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:34:49 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] TEST Message-ID: <31a062b4a0beb046157b7eda776aba4d@howardhowardfine.com> yes it is From aslerjack at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 22 09:36:26 2008 From: aslerjack at sbcglobal.net (Jack Murphy) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:36:26 -0500 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004601c8a497$03278e00$0a01010a@butterfield.local> Paul, I have no problem with donating, heck, if needed, I don't mind throwing in 5 or 10 bucks for the list. I prefer the list, granted it seems to be slowing down. I really have no interest in using the ASL Forums or Consim World, nothing against them, just prefer the list, easier for me to go through the stuff. If the List's final day ever comes, then I will think about using the others. jack -----Original Message----- From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net [mailto:aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Ferraro Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:28 AM To: ASLML Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? -- Paul ----------------------------------- "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives of others." - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 _______________________________________________ Aslml mailing list Aslml at lists.aslml.net http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 09:46:06 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:46:06 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Will this work? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804220946y712a9364teebc2907526bff49@mail.gmail.com> Yes, it worked. You may not see it though because the list sets evryone to "no dupes" by default. On 4/22/08, asl @ howardhowardfine. com wrote: > Test test > > aiyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > -- Paul ----------------------------------- "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives of others." - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 From asl at howardhowardfine.com Tue Apr 22 09:50:23 2008 From: asl at howardhowardfine.com (ASL) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:50:23 -0500 Subject: [Aslml] Eudora test w plain text select (test 2) Message-ID: <20080422165042.128C948002@diego.dreamhost.com> sorry for all the tests, dudes craig cooper http://craigcooper.com/asl/index.asp From garciagd at velocity.net Tue Apr 22 09:52:53 2008 From: garciagd at velocity.net (roger whelan) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201c8a499$4ef834e0$3903010a@gecac.org> Hi! While I would gladly donate $1, I am just not certain its worth keeping it going (just MHO). I do not see much traffic at all on the list anymore. Please do not lambaste me, but maybe its time to let it go. Peace Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Ferraro" To: "ASLML" Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list > The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? > > I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and > solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, > if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. > If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably > have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) > > I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this > service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. > So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? > > -- > Paul > ----------------------------------- > "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives > of others." > - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 > > "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may > deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." > - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > > From bpickeri at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 10:08:44 2008 From: bpickeri at gmail.com (Brian Pickering) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:08:44 -0700 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <004601c8a497$03278e00$0a01010a@butterfield.local> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <004601c8a497$03278e00$0a01010a@butterfield.local> Message-ID: <885c41aa0804221008y6c49dec5s40f2a21d7fe724eb@mail.gmail.com> I hate the format of the various fora, trying to keep track of what I've read and haven't. Would be willing to contribute. BrianP On 4/22/08, Jack Murphy wrote: > Paul, > > I have no problem with donating, heck, if needed, I don't mind throwing in 5 > or 10 bucks for the list. I prefer the list, granted it seems to be slowing > down. I really have no interest in using the ASL Forums or Consim World, > nothing against them, just prefer the list, easier for me to go through the > stuff. If the List's final day ever comes, then I will think about using the > others. > > jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net [mailto:aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net] > On Behalf Of Paul Ferraro > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:28 AM > To: ASLML > Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list > > The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? > > I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and > solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, if > people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. > If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably have > enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) > > I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this > service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. > So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? > > -- > Paul > ----------------------------------- > "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives of > others." > - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 > > "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may deride > it, malice may distort it, but there it is." > - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 > 8:34 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > -- Brian Pickering bpickeri at gmail.com From the.colonel at clara.co.uk Tue Apr 22 10:23:39 2008 From: the.colonel at clara.co.uk (the colonel) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:23:39 +0100 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008f01c8a49d$9b5a8280$0302a8c0@Laptop1> I for one would be happy to make a donation. I think recently the list has been the quietest I have ever known. Until I saw the recent thread on 'Movement' I did wonder if it had actually finished! Looking in an old diary I see it is over two years since my last game, over the last five years all my regular opponents have stopped playing for one reason or another. Regards, the colonel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Ferraro" To: "ASLML" Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:28 PM Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list > The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? > > I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and > solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, > if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. > If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably > have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) > > I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this > service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. > So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? > > -- > Paul > ----------------------------------- > "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives > of others." > - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 > > "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may > deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." > - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > > > From asl at howardhowardfine.com Tue Apr 22 10:32:20 2008 From: asl at howardhowardfine.com (ASL) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:32:20 -0500 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080422173235.4E31548003@diego.dreamhost.com> How would donations be done? Through PayPal? I love the list because it comes to me, I can read at my leisure and easily keep what i want and discard what I don't. Going to forums is a chore and forums are themselves are inflexible. craig At 08:28 AM 22/04/2008, Paul Ferraro wrote: >The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? > >I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and >solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, >if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. > If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably >have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) > >I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this >service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. >So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? > >-- >Paul >----------------------------------- >"The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives >of others." >- Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 > >"The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may >deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." >- Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 >_______________________________________________ >Aslml mailing list >Aslml at lists.aslml.net >http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net >To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net craig cooper http://craigcooper.com/asl/index.asp From damavs at alltel.net Tue Apr 22 10:36:02 2008 From: damavs at alltel.net (Bret & Julie Hildebran) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:36:02 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list Message-ID: <20080422173602.OUAP9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> "Brian Pickering" writes: > I hate the format of the various fora, trying to keep track of what > I've read and haven't. FWIW, Game Squad handles this very well as long as you're logged in - best I've seen on any forums - just click on the red arrow icon thing & make sure you finish that page and it'll save your place. Even if you're reading a 50 page thread, read 3 & come back tomorrow and it'll know to take you to page 4... > Would be willing to contribute. Same here - while the traffic on the mailing list has been non-existent of late, despite there seeming to be a large number of subscribers, I like having it around. If nothing else it's a historical reminder of something important to me personally. If it totally goes away I'll just feel that much older :-( Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org From pfph at thuring.com Tue Apr 22 11:00:42 2008 From: pfph at thuring.com (lars thuring) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:00:42 +0200 Subject: [Aslml] Will this work? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <480E27CA.80002@thuring.com> asl at howardhowardfine.com wrote: > Test test No, it didn't work. When you meant to write: "A.14 COLLATERAL ATTACKS: Generally, when a vehicle is in a Location where occupants are subjected to incoming FP or a To Kill DR, that vehicle's Vulnerable PRC can also be affected by that attack. This effect vs Vulnerable PRC is called a Collateral Attack, and can occur in two ways. The first is via an attack that does not have the vehicle as its predesignated target (e.g., Small Arms Fire, OBA, or use of the Area Target Type); this type of attack affects the PRC normally (i.e., causes a General Collateral Attack since it applies equally to all occupants of that Location; 7.4). The second way is via an attack that must specify the vehicle as its predesignated target (e.g., ordnance, MG vs AFV, minefield, etc); this type of attack primarily affects the vehicle, with the PRC receiving the secondary effects of that attack as a Specific Collateral Attack. A Collateral Attack (whether General or Specific) is resolved as a separate attack vs the vehicle's Vulnerable PRC immediately subsequent to the resolution of the attack vs the vehicle, using the attacking weapon's/ammo type's IFT FP (which includes HE Equivalency; C8.31) and the same Original Effects DR that resolved the attack vs the vehicle [EXC: No Collateral Attack occurs if the vehicle is destroyed outright (D5.6). If the crew/Passenger(s) are/become shocked (C7.42) or stunned (D5.34), a Collateral Attack applies only to the vehicle's Riders (D6.23). See D6.84 for crews that cannot be BU.]. Multiple Hits (C3.8) do not cause extra Collateral Attacks. A Collateral Attack receives no increased benefit due to Multiple Hits, nor does it leave Residual FP (8.2)." it came out as: > aiyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :-) > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > -- "2b|!2b?" (Hamlet) ASL - http://www.thuring.com/asl Quotes - http://www.thuring.com/life/quotes.html From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 11:11:39 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:11:39 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <480e2135.38e1220a.38b6.7d34SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <480e2135.38e1220a.38b6.7d34SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804221111tb90fe59l327ad221d21c5160@mail.gmail.com> > How would donations be done? Through PayPal? Yes. I thought about this a couple of years ago. However, a generous benefactor defrayed the cost of the list. To be honest, they'd do it again. But I got to thinking...what if we all paid for it? It's one of those ownership things. Now keep in mind your donation doesn't mean you can't ever get kicked out. You'd get your last dollar back if that happened. :-) I have set up a PayPal account solely for the ASLML. You guys have been trusting me for this long so I figure I can be honest and true about keeping ASLML money. What I'd like to do is this: 1. Recoup this year's spend (there'd be a disbursement to me) 2. Accumulate $$ to pay the bill once a year (April 21st I think). 3. Provide reports on the funding level (2-4 times a year?), obtained directly from PayPal and sent to the ASLML. 4. I'd reserve the right to say "Stop paying for God's sake, we won't live long enough to spend it all!" 5. I'd pick a secret person or two to access the account in case I get hit by a bus. Reasonable? > I love the list because it comes to me, I can read at my leisure and easily > keep what i want and discard what I don't. > > Going to forums is a chore and forums are themselves are inflexible. > > craig > > > At 08:28 AM 22/04/2008, Paul Ferraro wrote: > > > > The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? > > > > I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and > > solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, > > if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. > > If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably > > have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) > > > > I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this > > service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. > > So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? > > > > -- > > Paul > > ----------------------------------- > > "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives > > of others." > > - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 > > > > "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may > > deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." > > - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 > > _______________________________________________ > > Aslml mailing list > > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > > > > craig cooper > > http://craigcooper.com/asl/index.asp > > > > > > -- Paul ----------------------------------- "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives of others." - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 From tom_jaz at yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 11:39:50 2008 From: tom_jaz at yahoo.com (Tom Jazbutis) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:39:50 -0600 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804221111tb90fe59l327ad221d21c5160@mail.gmail.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <480e2135.38e1220a.38b6.7d34SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <635ae5ca0804221111tb90fe59l327ad221d21c5160@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008101c8a4a8$3fec9770$bfc5c650$@com> Hey Paul, I'd be more than willing to throw in a buck or two per year. Jazz > -----Original Message----- > From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net [mailto:aslml- > bounces at lists.aslml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Ferraro > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:12 PM > To: ASLML > Subject: Re: [Aslml] The once and future list > > > How would donations be done? Through PayPal? > > Yes. I thought about this a couple of years ago. However, a generous > benefactor defrayed the cost of the list. To be honest, they'd do it > again. But I got to thinking...what if we all paid for it? It's one > of those ownership things. Now keep in mind your donation doesn't > mean you can't ever get kicked out. You'd get your last dollar back > if that happened. :-) > > I have set up a PayPal account solely for the ASLML. You guys have > been trusting me for this long so I figure I can be honest and true > about keeping ASLML money. What I'd like to do is this: > > 1. Recoup this year's spend (there'd be a disbursement to me) > 2. Accumulate $$ to pay the bill once a year (April 21st I think). > 3. Provide reports on the funding level (2-4 times a year?), obtained > directly from PayPal and sent to the ASLML. > 4. I'd reserve the right to say "Stop paying for God's sake, we won't > live long enough to spend it all!" > 5. I'd pick a secret person or two to access the account in case I get > hit by a bus. > > Reasonable? > > > > > I love the list because it comes to me, I can read at my leisure and > easily > > keep what i want and discard what I don't. > > > > Going to forums is a chore and forums are themselves are inflexible. > > > > craig > > > > > > At 08:28 AM 22/04/2008, Paul Ferraro wrote: > > > > > > The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it > worth it? > > > > > > I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets > and > > > solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. > Basically, > > > if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or > three. > > > If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably > > > have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) > > > > > > I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on > this > > > service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim > World. > > > So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? > > > > > > -- > > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------- > > > "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the > lives > > > of others." > > > - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 > > > > > > "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may > > > deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." > > > - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Aslml mailing list > > > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > > > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > > > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email > webmaster at aslml.net > > > > > > > craig cooper > > > > http://craigcooper.com/asl/index.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Paul > ----------------------------------- > "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives > of others." > - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 > > "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may > deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." > - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net From pete at vftt.co.uk Tue Apr 22 12:45:10 2008 From: pete at vftt.co.uk (Pete Phillipps) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:45:10 +0100 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804221111tb90fe59l327ad221d21c5160@mail.gmail.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com><635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com><480e2135.38e1220a.38b6.7d34SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <635ae5ca0804221111tb90fe59l327ad221d21c5160@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Everyone, <> For the amount of traffic we're getting at the moment, I'd have to say no. But like most people I'd be happy to donate $1 a year to keep it going, hell I could probably donate $5 or $10 a year with some of the donations that people make to me for running the VFTT website :-) Like most people, I'm aware that places like ConsimWorld and GameSquad seem to have taken over from the ASLML nowadays, but like many of us still here, I prefer the mailing list format to the forum format. As others have said, a mailing list is easier to deal with as the mail comes to you, rather than you having to go fetch it in a forum. Another advantage is that the emails you get stay on your machine forever unless you delete them - if I wanted to save a thread on a forum I'd have to save each message :-( As an aside, does anyone know when and why the forums took over from the ASLML as the primary source of ASL? Pete "Many [wargame] battles have been fought and won by soldiers nourished on beer" - Frederick the Great, 1777 Download VIEW FROM THE TRENCHES (Britain's Premier ASL Journal) free from http://www.vftt.co.uk Get the latest news about HEROES(ASL in Blackpool) at http://www.vftt.co.uk/heroesdetails.aspx Get the latest news about INTENSIVE FIRE (Britain's biggest ASL tournament) at http://www.vftt.co.uk/ifdetails.aspx Get the latest UK ASL Tournament news at http://www.asltourneys.co.uk Support the best at http://www.manutd.com/ From damavs at alltel.net Tue Apr 22 12:58:06 2008 From: damavs at alltel.net (Bret & Julie Hildebran) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:58:06 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list Message-ID: <20080422195806.LRKF22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> "Pete Phillipps" > As an aside, does anyone know when and why the forums took over from > the ASLML as the primary source of ASL? I don't know exactly when, but essentially the volume of posts disappeared on the mailing list which forced folks that wanted to go elsewhere for a daily dose of ASL content. I think there's been a gradual exodus over the years starting with those who found too much vitriol from the list on occasion, plus those that prefer the threaded interface of a forums plus the advantage of easily adding visual content & attachments (a battle that goes back to the very early days of the list, albeit then it was "why isn't this list a newsgroup?"). Between those two groups the number of active posters on the ASLML began to dry up and that gradual decline forced even those of us that prefer a mailing list (personally I like the push aspects of a list as I don't have to remember to look for content) to seek their ASL content elsewhere. How much list traffic has there been in the last year? The last real volume I can remember was discussion of the errata in the last Journal which nearly 2 years ago. From a practical perspective I'd been viewing the list as on life support at best given the lack of posts. Hopefully that can change, but it's of course up to us to provide content of interest. And if it is only a rehash of content on the forums, what's the point in having two places (or 3 given the recent ASL only forum created) to cross-post info... Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 13:18:01 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:18:01 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <480e2135.38e1220a.38b6.7d34SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <635ae5ca0804221111tb90fe59l327ad221d21c5160@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804221318p3ae80b9aq16d85b5237443339@mail.gmail.com> > As an aside, does anyone know when and why the forums took over from > the ASLML as the primary source of ASL? I didn't keep notes, and probably lost the emails too...but if I recall correctly, Nat created a forum first, then took on the ASLML, then later moved the forum to its current sponsor and left (returned really) the list to me. Most forums are searchable, and as such they can provide a wealth of accumulated knowledge. But they lack two things that I have always liked about discussions lists: (a) delivered to your door and (b) well, um, discussion. Its always been easier, more lively (sometimes waaaay to lively) and fun to have a conversation via a discussion list. Just my personal opinion. From mario.butter at silent-tower.org Tue Apr 22 13:32:40 2008 From: mario.butter at silent-tower.org (Mario Butter) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:32:40 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804221318p3ae80b9aq16d85b5237443339@mail.gmail.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <480e2135.38e1220a.38b6.7d34SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <635ae5ca0804221111tb90fe59l327ad221d21c5160@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804221318p3ae80b9aq16d85b5237443339@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ec14d9b0804221332hcd5d2b8nd903357dcdd8ceae@mail.gmail.com> Then again, mail lists can be both threaded and searchable. It ain't rocket science... On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Paul Ferraro wrote: > > As an aside, does anyone know when and why the forums took over from > > the ASLML as the primary source of ASL? > > I didn't keep notes, and probably lost the emails too...but if I > recall correctly, Nat created a forum first, then took on the ASLML, > then later moved the forum to its current sponsor and left (returned > really) the list to me. > > Most forums are searchable, and as such they can provide a wealth of > accumulated knowledge. But they lack two things that I have always > liked about discussions lists: (a) delivered to your door and (b) > well, um, discussion. Its always been easier, more lively (sometimes > waaaay to lively) and fun to have a conversation via a discussion > list. Just my personal opinion. > > > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > -- Mario http://mario.silent-tower.org/ From snow at lasp.colorado.edu Tue Apr 22 14:18:02 2008 From: snow at lasp.colorado.edu (Marty Snow) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <20080422195806.LRKF22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> References: <20080422195806.LRKF22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Bret & Julie Hildebran wrote: > "Pete Phillipps" > > As an aside, does anyone know when and why the forums took over from > > the ASLML as the primary source of ASL? > > I don't know exactly when, but essentially the volume of posts > disappeared on the mailing list which forced folks that wanted to go > elsewhere for a daily dose of ASL content. I think there's been a The official folks from MMP stopped posting on the ASLML, which helped turn the exodus trickle into a full stream (bladder metaphor not intended). Marty Marty Snow marty.snow at lasp.colorado.edu http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~snowm/home.html From jbarber at meic.org Tue Apr 22 14:29:25 2008 From: jbarber at meic.org (Jeff Barber) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:29:25 -0600 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know about a dollar. I'll chip in 83 cents though. On 4/22/08 7:28 AM, "Paul Ferraro" wrote: > The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? > > I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and > solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, > if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. > If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably > have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) > > I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this > service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. > So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 14:36:53 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:36:53 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: References: <20080422195806.LRKF22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804221436m2ce8a26ele63e2609d395c8a8@mail.gmail.com> > The official folks from MMP stopped posting on the ASLML, which helped > turn the exodus trickle into a full stream (bladder metaphor not > intended). We can ply them with cheap beer, tawdry women and clipped counters to lure them back.... From bpickeri at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 15:08:46 2008 From: bpickeri at gmail.com (Brian Pickering) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:08:46 -0700 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: References: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <885c41aa0804221508q2a60cb16t27e7237c89031457@mail.gmail.com> Ha-ha. I get the joke. However, IIRC from discussions elsewhere, at < $1, Paypal charges start sucking up too large of a fraction for many people to bother accepting it. Brian "Can't Take A Joke" Pickering On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Jeff Barber wrote: > I don't know about a dollar. I'll chip in 83 cents though. > > > > On 4/22/08 7:28 AM, "Paul Ferraro" wrote: > > > The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? > > > > I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and > > solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, > > if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. > > If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably > > have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) > > > > I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this > > service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. > > So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > -- Brian Pickering bpickeri at gmail.com From pfph at thuring.com Tue Apr 22 16:11:42 2008 From: pfph at thuring.com (lars thuring) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:11:42 +0200 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <885c41aa0804221508q2a60cb16t27e7237c89031457@mail.gmail.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <885c41aa0804221508q2a60cb16t27e7237c89031457@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <480E70AE.3070108@thuring.com> Brian Pickering wrote: > Ha-ha. > > I get the joke. However, IIRC from discussions elsewhere, at < $1, > Paypal charges start sucking up too large of a fraction for many > people to bother accepting it. A valid point. Let us go for some amount that makes it easier for Paul. If you don't get to pay this years there are more of the comming up (I think). Go for 10, 15 or more $. If I put down 25$ now and don't have to worry about it for a quarter of a century that is fine with me! > Brian "Can't Take A Joke" Pickering Brian, didn't you use to work for MS? ;-) > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Jeff Barber wrote: > >>I don't know about a dollar. I'll chip in 83 cents though. >> >> >> >> On 4/22/08 7:28 AM, "Paul Ferraro" wrote: >> >> > The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? >> > >> > I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and >> > solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, >> > if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. >> > If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably >> > have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) >> > >> > I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this >> > service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. >> > So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> Aslml mailing list >> Aslml at lists.aslml.net >> http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net >> To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net >> > > > > -- "2b|!2b?" (Hamlet) ASL - http://www.thuring.com/asl Quotes - http://www.thuring.com/life/quotes.html From bpickeri at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 16:14:26 2008 From: bpickeri at gmail.com (Brian Pickering) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:14:26 -0700 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <480E70AE.3070108@thuring.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <885c41aa0804221508q2a60cb16t27e7237c89031457@mail.gmail.com> <480E70AE.3070108@thuring.com> Message-ID: <885c41aa0804221614n7b6ec14cw4124a128c9ccc2c9@mail.gmail.com> > > Brian "Can't Take A Joke" Pickering > > Brian, didn't you use to work for MS? ;-) > Why do you THINK I left? :-) 'course, now I'm working for lawyers. Now THERE is some valid comedy.... -- Brian Pickering bpickeri at gmail.com From ldmmisselbrook at shaw.ca Wed Apr 23 03:36:37 2008 From: ldmmisselbrook at shaw.ca (Lee) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:36:37 -0600 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list References: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <885c41aa0804221508q2a60cb16t27e7237c89031457@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00da01c8a534$62c0bce0$0b619644@p3> I'd kick in a dollar for the list. I spend more then that for coffee everyday. And ASL is more .......relaxing. Lee in Beaumont, just outside Edmonton From jmmcleod at mts.net Tue Apr 22 16:44:11 2008 From: jmmcleod at mts.net (mcleods) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:44:11 -0500 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list References: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com><885c41aa0804221508q2a60cb16t27e7237c89031457@mail.gmail.com> <00da01c8a534$62c0bce0$0b619644@p3> Message-ID: <006301c8a4d2$c49efba0$1727c8cd@jims3ge2hz6irc> I like the List and am willing to contribute. I've a bunch of US singles in a drawer here at home that just are not worth keeping anymore. All I need is a mailing address and I'll send them along. =Jim= From thecrazedlog at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 17:36:01 2008 From: thecrazedlog at gmail.com (Anthony Sadler) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:36:01 +1000 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <006301c8a4d2$c49efba0$1727c8cd@jims3ge2hz6irc> References: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <885c41aa0804221508q2a60cb16t27e7237c89031457@mail.gmail.com> <00da01c8a534$62c0bce0$0b619644@p3> <006301c8a4d2$c49efba0$1727c8cd@jims3ge2hz6irc> Message-ID: Give me bank details and I'll whack in 25 bucks easy. I've just ordered full ASL, so I'm definately going to be needing this list :P Anthony On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:44 AM, mcleods wrote: > I like the List and am willing to contribute. > > I've a bunch of US singles in a drawer here at home that just are not worth > keeping anymore. > > All I need is a mailing address and I'll send them along. > > > > > > =Jim= > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > From swfancher at mindspring.com Tue Apr 22 18:13:32 2008 From: swfancher at mindspring.com (Seth W Fancher) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:13:32 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com> <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20080422211110.0216fd60@pop.mindspring.com> I'm in for a couple of bucks a year. I considered pony'ing up the whole shebang for a couple of years...then I saw Paul's post about that not being the intent. IN agree with almost everyone.... I don't visit the Forums or Consimworld. Truth be told - I haven't played a full turn of ASL in a couple of years and even VotG did not inspire me to get back to cardboard. If the ASLML goes...I expect I will follow suit shortly thereafter. Seth At 09:28 AM 4/22/2008, Paul Ferraro wrote: >The list is paid for for one more year. The question is...is it worth it? > >I'm toying with the idea of letting folks talk with their wallets and >solicit $1 donations to support the cost of the listserve. Basically, >if people want it, they'll donate a dollar every year or two or three. > If every subscribed address to the ASLML donated $1 we'd probably >have enough to buy the service for 8-10 years. :-) > >I know the ASL Forums are quite active, and originally started on this >service (then under Nat Mallet's care). There is also Consim World. >So the question needs to be asked...does the List need to be? > >-- >Paul >----------------------------------- >"The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives >of others." >- Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 > >"The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may >deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." >- Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 >_______________________________________________ >Aslml mailing list >Aslml at lists.aslml.net >http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net >To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net From jgum at monaxmining.com.au Tue Apr 22 18:21:29 2008 From: jgum at monaxmining.com.au (Justin Gum) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:51:29 +0930 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20080422211110.0216fd60@pop.mindspring.com> References: <635ae5ca0804220625l6c58803bpc5de3a16389da88@mail.gmail.com><635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.0.14.2.20080422211110.0216fd60@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <001a01c8a4e0$5c0db190$0202fea9@Monax.local> >IN agree with almost everyone.... I don't visit the Forums or >Consimworld. Truth be told - I haven't played a full turn of ASL in a >couple of years and even VotG did not inspire me to get back to >cardboard. If the ASLML goes...I expect I will follow suit shortly >thereafter. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one! :-) I am with everyone else on donating for the list. Justin Gum Exploration Geologist Monax Mining Limited 11A Croydon Rd, Keswick, SA, 5035 Ph: (08) 8375 3900 Fax: (08) 8375 3999 E-mail: jgum at monaxmining.com.au Website: www.monaxmining.com.au From damavs at alltel.net Tue Apr 22 18:53:33 2008 From: damavs at alltel.net (Bret & Julie Hildebran) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:53:33 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <885c41aa0804221508q2a60cb16t27e7237c89031457@mail.gmail.co m> References: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com> <885c41aa0804221508q2a60cb16t27e7237c89031457@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080423015115.IGTZ5310.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@Sparky.alltel.net> Brian Pickering wrote: >I get the joke. However, IIRC from discussions elsewhere, at < $1, >Paypal charges start sucking up too large of a fraction for many >people to bother accepting it. If you have a "merchant account" this is true (i.e. one that'll take credit cards), but a regular account can accept money for free, but just can't take credit. The payer would have to either transfer bank funds or $ in their PayPal account. Now there often are some overhead charges for our overseas brethren so funneling $1 at a time may be inefficient for them depending on the country and their bank. But as long as Paul sets up a non-merchant account, PayPal won't take a cut. Given the number of folks that have piped up so far, and the likelihood that many may kick in more than a single sawbuck, I don't think it'll be an issue though... Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org From david at starfire.utias.utoronto.ca Wed Apr 23 07:25:42 2008 From: david at starfire.utias.utoronto.ca (David Elder) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:25:42 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list Message-ID: <480F46E6.4090005@starfire.utias.utoronto.ca> As far as I can tell this didn't show up on the list yesterday so I am sending it again ... ------ Hi All, Just to add another $0.02 from a long time lurker ... I have really enjoyed the list over the years. I even took a break of 10 years and was pleasantly surprised to find it still here. It's unfortunate that it is so quiet but I know that, from my perspective, I just don't have as much time to play these days. As a result, I have fewer questions to ask. Could that be a part of the overall slowness - are people playing as much ASL as they used to? I quite liked looking up the answer to the recent movement question - the rules were surprisingly clear on how much it would cost to move in a gully orchard and the answer wasn't what I was expecting. As far as following the list, Thunderbird and probably any email client can easily thread the messages for you and make them all searchable if you want to keep them around. It may not be ideal for long term or archival look ups but it is fine for current threads. Also, like Paul, I really like the fact that the mailing list arrives in my Inbox - I filter the incoming mail into the ASL folder - and read it at my leisure. Going to the ASL forums at a website just hasn't been as effective for me. In addition, I usually find that the list has a better signal to noise ratio than the forums (excluding certain people who may have mellowed over the years :) ). Anyway, I will probably throw in my dollar when the time comes to keep the list going since I like it. :)... Paul, do you have a snail mail address we can send money to? As far as generating discussion goes - years ago we had an AGWAV list (A Game With A View) that went along with the ASLML. Two people would play a PBeM scenario and CC the AGWAV list with all correspondence. There were some interesting discussions that grew out of watching what two experienced players did and the comments made on the setups and choice of tactics. In addition, rules and tactics discussions occasionally spilled over into the main list ... there are probably lots of other ways to generate discussion if folks are interested in keeping the ASLML more active :) Cheers, David From mort at bork.org Wed Apr 23 07:31:45 2008 From: mort at bork.org (Martin Hicks) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:31:45 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <480F46E6.4090005@starfire.utias.utoronto.ca> References: <480F46E6.4090005@starfire.utias.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20080423143145.GJ9710@laplace.bork.org> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:25:42AM -0400, David Elder wrote: > time to play these days. As a result, I have fewer questions to ask. > Could that be a part of the overall slowness - are people playing as > much ASL as they used to? I never had much luck finding local people to play with (Ottawa, Ontario). This limited my playing. I spend enough time in front of a computer, so VASL is less appealing than going outside and riding a bike or something. I recently got a hankering to play, and decided to teach a few friends. One liked it enough to go out and buy the rulebook. We're finishing up our second scenario in the last three weeks! I re-figured out the C3/C4 stuff...now I want to learn how to use Vehicles again. Then I can play all those interesting (but currently off-limit) scenarios that have trucks & tanks! mh -- Martin Hicks || mort at bork.org || PGP/GnuPG: 0x4C7F2BEE From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 07:56:20 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:56:20 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <20080423143145.GJ9710@laplace.bork.org> References: <480F46E6.4090005@starfire.utias.utoronto.ca> <20080423143145.GJ9710@laplace.bork.org> Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804230756t4e244d02r3e3afd35dd0c6216@mail.gmail.com> > I recently got a hankering to play, and decided to teach a few friends. > One liked it enough to go out and buy the rulebook. We're finishing up > our second scenario in the last three weeks! I played SL/ASL 'wrong' for a couple of years or more. After finding a few folks who were less self-taught than I, I really began to grok the game. The key to learning is (a) finding someone who knows the game and play it with them (hell of a straight line, that) and (b) taking the time to go to a ASL tourney. My understanding of the game soared inversely with my plummeting win/loss record at that first tournament. Those were grand days.... From damavs at alltel.net Wed Apr 23 08:36:06 2008 From: damavs at alltel.net (Bret & Julie Hildebran) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:36:06 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list Message-ID: <20080423153606.OCR9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> David Elder writes: > As far as generating discussion goes - years ago we had an AGWAV list (A > Game With A View) that went along with the ASLML. Two people would play > a PBeM scenario and CC the AGWAV list with all correspondence. I remember playing my first beach landing scenario in AGWAV (A55 The Cat Has Jumped) which was a bizarre experience as we made so many mistakes. Likely good to learn from as we pretty much covered the gamut on errors. Didn't help that the landing craft in that one are atypical in nearly every way & we finally decided the Ami should just sit there and wait for the IJA to unload before shooting. I imagine the viewers of that one got some good laughs out of our travails :-) Also played Fort McGregor in AGWAV - don't think that one was as error riddled, although my defense was overrun fairly convincingly... In general I think VASL is likely the best medium for AGWAV type things now. Cool would be a VASL script where a game could be recorded and saved for others to download and step through later. I presume that's possible today, but I don't have the VASL knowledge to say definitively. Folks could then download the "presentation" and comment on the game as it progresses. Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org From damavs at alltel.net Wed Apr 23 08:44:42 2008 From: damavs at alltel.net (Bret & Julie Hildebran) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:44:42 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list Message-ID: <20080423154442.BJBO9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> David Elder writes: > Could that be a part of the overall slowness - are people playing as > much ASL as they used to? I think it depends on the person. I know a number of folks that are pretty much only playing at tourneys now. Either too busy of a real life or no local opponent has limited them from playing more regularly, but they're still hitting multiple tourneys to get their fix. Others have just kind of faded away from the hobby, for now at least. I know some others that are playing more than ever - some of the Grand Rapids guys get in an incredible number of games per week - I think Jeff DeYoung plays 3 or 4 games per week typically. Personally I'm playing as much as ever with a weekly game pretty much year round plus 3 tourneys at minimum and the occasional other gathering for a game or two on the weekend. As Paul mentioned - one of the best ways to learn is to get to a tourney - you'll learn more there faster and with a better chance of learning it right than anywhere. This is the best list of tourneys I'm aware of: http://www.aslok.org/links.html Please let me know if you see any errors or tourneys I've missed in the above list as I've been striving to keep it updated, but haven't tracked down all the '08 dates as of yet... Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org From asl at howardhowardfine.com Wed Apr 23 11:40:49 2008 From: asl at howardhowardfine.com (ASL) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:40:49 -0500 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list Message-ID: <20080423184055.D06BF48002@diego.dreamhost.com> I haven't played much the last few years but my interest remains the same. In fact, I've been trying to clear some space for a game for a couple of weeks now. The best thing about ASL (and my other wargames): They will never become obsolete unlike my many computers and thus the games designed for them. Once I retire, I'm going to wear the dice out! c At 09:25 AM 23/04/2008, you wrote: > - are people playing as much ASL as they used to? craig cooper http://craigcooper.com/asl/index.asp From asl at howardhowardfine.com Wed Apr 23 11:41:08 2008 From: asl at howardhowardfine.com (ASL) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:41:08 -0500 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list Message-ID: <20080423184115.E43DE48003@diego.dreamhost.com> "Recording" VASL would also be cool just to "instant replay" your game! c At 10:36 AM 23/04/2008, you wrote: > > >In general I think VASL is likely the best medium for AGWAV type >things now. Cool would be a VASL script where a game could be >recorded and saved for others to download and step through later. I >presume that's possible today, but I don't have the VASL knowledge >to say definitively. Folks could then download the "presentation" >and comment on the game as it progresses. > >Bret Hildebran >damavs at alltel.net >www.aslok.org craig cooper http://craigcooper.com/asl/index.asp From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 14:59:40 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:59:40 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <480F46E6.4090005@starfire.utias.utoronto.ca> References: <480F46E6.4090005@starfire.utias.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804231459q12d1a48bu924f63760a1f8e0b@mail.gmail.com> > As far as generating discussion goes - years ago we had an AGWAV list (A > Game With A View) that went along with the ASLML. Two people would play a > PBeM scenario and CC the AGWAV list with all correspondence. There were some > interesting discussions that grew out of watching what two experienced > players did and the comments made on the setups and choice of tactics. In > addition, rules and tactics discussions occasionally spilled over into the > main list ... there are probably lots of other ways > to generate discussion if folks are interested in keeping the ASLML more > active :) Mustafa Unlu started the AGWAV via a CMU listserve. I didn't get to know him until a few years later...and he was just down the street from me (he at CMU, me at Pitt). That AGWAV list was was still alive a couple of years ago...but I think now it may be (snif) dead. From aslwynn at rogers.com Wed Apr 23 15:17:58 2008 From: aslwynn at rogers.com (Wynn) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:17:58 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list References: <480F46E6.4090005@starfire.utias.utoronto.ca> <20080423143145.GJ9710@laplace.bork.org> Message-ID: <00bc01c8a58f$e30fd0b0$6400a8c0@D56LBC31> Martin; If you are still in the Ottawa area, there is a small, informal, group that meets, generally at my home in Carleton Place, once a month or so. I currently have a VotG CG II in progress. I will be playing this Saturday starting at 11 AM if you'd like to drop by. Email me at aslwynn at rogers.com for directions or more information. Any other ASLers in Ottawa who are not members of the Ottawa ASL FanaticS (OAFS)? Cheers, Wynn "Sgt. Polnicky" Polnicky (note subtle reference to VotG counter mix) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Hicks" To: "General discussion list for ASL" Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Aslml] The once and future list > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:25:42AM -0400, David Elder wrote: >> time to play these days. As a result, I have fewer questions to ask. >> Could that be a part of the overall slowness - are people playing as >> much ASL as they used to? > > I never had much luck finding local people to play with (Ottawa, > Ontario). This limited my playing. I spend enough time in front of a > computer, so VASL is less appealing than going outside and riding a bike > or something. > > I recently got a hankering to play, and decided to teach a few friends. > One liked it enough to go out and buy the rulebook. We're finishing up > our second scenario in the last three weeks! > > I re-figured out the C3/C4 stuff...now I want to learn how to use > Vehicles again. Then I can play all those interesting (but currently > off-limit) scenarios that have trucks & tanks! > > mh > > -- > Martin Hicks || mort at bork.org || PGP/GnuPG: 0x4C7F2BEE > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > From aslbunker at yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 16:12:16 2008 From: aslbunker at yahoo.com (Vic Provost) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Aslml] Dispatches from the Bunker April Update Message-ID: <823955.49904.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings from the Bunker to all at the Main ASL Mailing List. I am checking in with what's up with our own Amateur ASLNewsletter, Dispatches from the Bunker. We have just started playtesting some of the scenario possibilities for Issue #27, due out at the Bunker Bash in September. I'll have details on exactly which scenarios will appear in #27 in next month's update. As for current Issue #26, The 3 scenarios are concentrating on the ETO this time with 2 actions in Italy and one combined arms beast on the Eastern Front. They are: Commandos Hold Fast: This is the first of 3 actions Adam Lunney submitted to me a couple years ago, with a couple platoons of British Commandos holding the SSR defined Olive Groves on Board 35 against 2 company sized waves of Panzergrenadiers from the 16th Panzer Div. A 6 lb 57L AT Gun gives the Brits a fighting chance and will give the German Panzer IVs caution in their advance. The German has a big edge in numbers but never count out those Commandos. Murphy Go Help the British: The 3rd in the ongoing Fabulous Thunderbirds series, this action sees them trying to wrest the high ground from tough German defenders from the Herman Goering Div. on Boards 9 & 15. It's uphill all the way but with numbers in their favor and a nice light armor matchup highlighting this fine design from Joe Gochinski. Shock at Kamenewo: Tom Morin's latest is an Eastern Front, combined arms melee with 18 Russian rifle squads and 10 various heavy and medium tanks attacking mixed elements of the 4th Panzer Div. spread out along 1/2 boards 4, 11, & 44. What makes this one unique is the Russian armor sets up HIP before bursting out of the woods. The German has a mix of elite and 1st line rifles along with medium tanks, 88L AA and 105 ART guns to combat the Russian onslaught. This has been a huge hit at the club and shows much promise. Also on tap for #26 is another fine article by Jim Torkelson, he's looking at the Monster Scenario VotG1 The First Bid, After spending considerable time on Making a Mess with Fire and Rubble, Carl Nogueira will now put his focus on the Urban Battlefield in Stalingrad with elements of RB and VotG to be examined in an ongoing series of tips for our BackPage. I'll have analysis of the new scenarios and more ASL home-cooking with a wrap-up on the Bunker Bash and Albany tourney and a preview of the Nor'Easter. Also Please remember that Dispatch #23 is devoted to VotG including the 3 scenarios that Tom Morin designed specifically for the newsletter, analysis of each, Tom's VotG Saga and Jim Torkelson's look at VotG from the German point of view. For those unfamiliar with Dispatches, it is a 12 page Amateur ASL Newsletter that comes to the greater ASL Community twice a year, sometime in March and September courtesy of the New England ASL Community, including the Bunker Crew and our yasl Brothers in Southern New England. It typically contains 3 New Scenarios, Analysis of each one, a Main Article on any aspect of the game system, Tactical Tips, ASL News and Tournament Updates from our region. You may now view samples of our work at the ASL Webdex at: http://www.aslwebdex.net/ The specific page is at: http://www.aslwebdex.net/aslwebdex/Publishers/Bunker/bunker.html Thanks to Larry Memmott for giving us space there, you can view pdf. files of Issues #01 & #09 there, including the always popular Mighty Maus scenario. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From bignoodle at earthlink.net Wed Apr 23 16:24:35 2008 From: bignoodle at earthlink.net (donald holland) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:24:35 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The list Message-ID: <380-220084323232435109@earthlink.net> I would love it if the List could be revived to its past glory. I would be thrilled to pitch in a donation. Instead of PayPal just show up at ASLOK with a box and you could probably pay the bills for years. With VASL logs, you could do a game with a view By just CC'ing moves to the list. What we really need is someone to revive the Spuddy's. (And start a IIFT flame war) Don "Big Noodle" Holland bignoodle at earthlink.net Revive the list!!! From ldmmisselbrook at shaw.ca Thu Apr 24 05:54:01 2008 From: ldmmisselbrook at shaw.ca (Lee) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:54:01 -0600 Subject: [Aslml] The list References: <380-220084323232435109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002c01c8a60e$3eac4790$0b619644@p3> Hear Hear !! I'd gladly chip in to see this going again. And the IIFT flame war too....I guess Lee > > What we really need is someone to revive the Spuddy's. (And start a IIFT > flame war) > > Don "Big Noodle" Holland From bpickeri at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 20:51:57 2008 From: bpickeri at gmail.com (Brian Pickering) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:51:57 -0700 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <20080423015115.IGTZ5310.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@Sparky.alltel.net> References: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com><885c41aa0804221508q2a60cb16t27e7237c89031457@mail.gmail.com> <20080423015115.IGTZ5310.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@Sparky.alltel.net> Message-ID: <43E62FBBADCE430C87DD7ED2EABE06DD@Superboy> Yeah, that's right. I actually can't list Paypal anymore when I sell on eBay, because they insist that you have to take ANY Paypal payment, not just cash-funded. Thanks for buying Paypal, eBay... Guess that's what the business people call "synergy". (i.e., finding yet more ways to take your money, while making something less useful.) So, back on the topic of the list, a number of people seem to have indicated that they're interested in ASL, but don't have the time. Lemme hear an "AMEN!" Apart from VASL (which does help, but not enough), what other ideas do people have for satisfying their ASL Jones? Solo play doesn't do it for me [in ASL, as in many things ;-)], and my family isn't quite ready for ASL- just this evening, wifey was getting mildly irritable because she couldn't get a "Gas" card in Mille Bournes, and seven-year-old gets bored half-way through a game of Battleship (of course, that actually makes this a GOOD evening- I got in TWO games today!) Brian -----Original Message----- From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net [mailto:aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net] On Behalf Of Bret & Julie Hildebran Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:54 PM To: General discussion list for ASL Subject: Re: [Aslml] The once and future list Brian Pickering wrote: >I get the joke. However, IIRC from discussions elsewhere, at < $1, >Paypal charges start sucking up too large of a fraction for many people >to bother accepting it. If you have a "merchant account" this is true (i.e. one that'll take credit cards), but a regular account can accept money for free, but just can't take credit. The payer would have to either transfer bank funds or $ in their PayPal account. Now there often are some overhead charges for our overseas brethren so funneling $1 at a time may be inefficient for them depending on the country and their bank. But as long as Paul sets up a non-merchant account, PayPal won't take a cut. Given the number of folks that have piped up so far, and the likelihood that many may kick in more than a single sawbuck, I don't think it'll be an issue though... Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org _______________________________________________ Aslml mailing list Aslml at lists.aslml.net http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net From sblanton at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 23 22:31:36 2008 From: sblanton at nc.rr.com (Scott Blanton) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:31:36 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <43E62FBBADCE430C87DD7ED2EABE06DD@Superboy> References: <635ae5ca0804220628u7170dda9tcd5ccad09fde894b@mail.gmail.com><885c41aa0804221508q2a60cb16t27e7237c89031457@mail.gmail.com><20080423015115.IGTZ5310.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@Sparky.alltel.net> <43E62FBBADCE430C87DD7ED2EABE06DD@Superboy> Message-ID: <001001c8a5cc$773da820$6602a8c0@armory> Paypal can be a pain, there is a new service starting, www.revolutionmoneyexchange.com. It is just getting started, seems to be like paypal but with less fees. I've looked at this but not signed up yet. Must be based on a US bank account. I'm looking into this as a payment option for customers as well as personal use. Has anyone tried this or know anything about this new service? Scott Blanton The Gamer's Armory www.gamersarmory.com -----Original Message----- From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net [mailto:aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net] On Behalf Of Brian Pickering Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:52 PM To: 'General discussion list for ASL' Subject: Re: [Aslml] The once and future list Yeah, that's right. I actually can't list Paypal anymore when I sell on eBay, because they insist that you have to take ANY Paypal payment, not just cash-funded. Thanks for buying Paypal, eBay... Guess that's what the business people call "synergy". (i.e., finding yet more ways to take your money, while making something less useful.) So, back on the topic of the list, a number of people seem to have indicated that they're interested in ASL, but don't have the time. Lemme hear an "AMEN!" Apart from VASL (which does help, but not enough), what other ideas do people have for satisfying their ASL Jones? Solo play doesn't do it for me [in ASL, as in many things ;-)], and my family isn't quite ready for ASL- just this evening, wifey was getting mildly irritable because she couldn't get a "Gas" card in Mille Bournes, and seven-year-old gets bored half-way through a game of Battleship (of course, that actually makes this a GOOD evening- I got in TWO games today!) Brian -----Original Message----- From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net [mailto:aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net] On Behalf Of Bret & Julie Hildebran Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:54 PM To: General discussion list for ASL Subject: Re: [Aslml] The once and future list Brian Pickering wrote: >I get the joke. However, IIRC from discussions elsewhere, at < $1, >Paypal charges start sucking up too large of a fraction for many people >to bother accepting it. If you have a "merchant account" this is true (i.e. one that'll take credit cards), but a regular account can accept money for free, but just can't take credit. The payer would have to either transfer bank funds or $ in their PayPal account. Now there often are some overhead charges for our overseas brethren so funneling $1 at a time may be inefficient for them depending on the country and their bank. But as long as Paul sets up a non-merchant account, PayPal won't take a cut. Given the number of folks that have piped up so far, and the likelihood that many may kick in more than a single sawbuck, I don't think it'll be an issue though... Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org _______________________________________________ Aslml mailing list Aslml at lists.aslml.net http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net _______________________________________________ Aslml mailing list Aslml at lists.aslml.net http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 03:19:50 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:19:50 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] ASLML donations - A "How-To" Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804240319w75e87c66g6887d3eea3e131a0@mail.gmail.com> Response seems favorable to having a member funded discussion list. So here are the ground rules: A. This is voluntary, not mandatory B. Keep in mind your donation doesn't mean you can't ever get kicked off the list. You'd get your last dollar back if that happened, if I know you paid it. :-) C. Decorum still counts. I have set up a PayPal account solely for the ASLML. You guys have been trusting me for this long so I figure I can remian honest and true about keeping ASLML money. What I'd like to do is this: 1. Recoup this year's spend (there'd be a disbursement to me) 2. Accumulate $$ to pay the bill once a year (April 21st each year). 3. Provide reports on the funding level (2-4 times a year?), obtained directly from PayPal and sent to the ASLML. 4. I reserve the right to say "Stop paying for God's sake, we won't live long enough to spend it all!" 5. I'll pick a secret person or two to access the account in case I get hit by a bus. 6. I have no idea if I'll be able to track who paid. If that is an issue, please don't donate. 7. I may call for donations from time to time. If you already donated, don't take that as a call to donate again. The announcement would be directed to those who haven't donated unless the announcement says otherwise. Oh my, that sounds rather lawyerly, doesn't it? So how do you donate? We'll use PayPal to start. Why PayPal? Well, the company that hosts the ASLML (Dreamhost) takes PayPal as payment. The address to use for PayPal donations is aslmailinglist at gmail.com For those of you who don't have or use PayPal, you can always send a donation to: Paul Ferraro 304 Mossy Oak Drive Cranberry Twp, PA 16066 I'll have to figure out a way to get the $$$ mailed into the PayPal account, but I think I can juggle that. How much should you donate? I'd say that is up to you. If we got a dollar or two per subscriber we'd be fine I think. On a $1 transaction we lose 33 cents (3% plus a 30 cent fee) because the account I set up is a Premier rather than Personal account. We lose money vs having a Personal account, but not having to deal with the complexity of having multiple accounts, and the ability to take credit card based payments makes that OK in my book. Of course the more you donate, the less we lose. All comments, complaints, dire threats should come directly to me, rather than the ASLML. Thanks for taking the time to read this. -- Paul ----------------------------------- "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives of others." - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 03:40:57 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:40:57 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Another way to support the ASLML Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804240340o5c13755bu157f021c61734a53@mail.gmail.com> One way to support the ASLML is by using Dreamhost as a service provider. If you need web service provider and you use Dreamhost, the ASLML account gets a bit of a kickback when you sign up, as long as you let Dreamhost know who referred you. We had $42.96 knocked off our bill for this year from this ponzi scheme that Dreamhost uses for referrals. :-) :-) :-) Dreamhsot's web site is http://www.dreamhost.com/ We (the ASLML) will get referral credit for anyone who: -Enters that paul.ferraro at gmail.com referred them when they sign up (this is the preferred method!). -Uses promo code ASLML when signing up. Note that this get the new account a lifetime domain registration. Use of the promo code gets us a one time only discount of $82 ($97-$15 for the free domain registration). -Clicks http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?51621 and then signs up without entering any promo code or referrer. Typically we have taken the "10% forever of everything your referrals (plus 5% for people they refer!) spend on hosting with us" option VS. choosing to just get a $97.00 one-time payment (plus $5 for sub-referrals!) per referral. -- Paul ----------------------------------- "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives of others." - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 From pfph at thuring.com Thu Apr 24 03:55:43 2008 From: pfph at thuring.com (lars thuring) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:55:43 +0200 Subject: [Aslml] ASLML donations - A "How-To" In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804240319w75e87c66g6887d3eea3e131a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <635ae5ca0804240319w75e87c66g6887d3eea3e131a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4810672F.50703@thuring.com> Paul Ferraro wrote: > Response seems favorable to having a member funded discussion list. > So here are the ground rules: > > A. This is voluntary, not mandatory > B. Keep in mind your donation doesn't mean you can't ever get kicked > off the list. You'd get your last dollar back if that happened, if I > know you paid it. :-) > C. Decorum still counts. > > I have set up a PayPal account solely for the ASLML. You guys have > been trusting me for this long so I figure I can remian honest and true > about keeping ASLML money. What I'd like to do is this: > > 1. Recoup this year's spend (there'd be a disbursement to me) > 2. Accumulate $$ to pay the bill once a year (April 21st each year). > 3. Provide reports on the funding level (2-4 times a year?), obtained > directly from PayPal and sent to the ASLML. > 4. I reserve the right to say "Stop paying for God's sake, we won't > live long enough to spend it all!" > 5. I'll pick a secret person or two to access the account in case I get > hit by a bus. > 6. I have no idea if I'll be able to track who paid. If that is an > issue, please don't donate. > 7. I may call for donations from time to time. If you already > donated, don't take that as a call to donate again. The announcement > would be directed to those who haven't donated unless the announcement > says otherwise. Oh my, that sounds rather lawyerly, doesn't it? The true Paul emerges! > So how do you donate? We'll use PayPal to start. Why PayPal? Well, > the company that hosts the ASLML (Dreamhost) takes PayPal as payment. > > The address to use for PayPal donations is aslmailinglist at gmail.com The check is in the mail. cheers, Lars > For those of you who don't have or use PayPal, you can always send a > donation to: > > Paul Ferraro > 304 Mossy Oak Drive > Cranberry Twp, PA 16066 > > I'll have to figure out a way to get the $$$ mailed into the PayPal > account, but I think I can juggle that. > > How much should you donate? I'd say that is up to you. If we got a > dollar or two per subscriber we'd be fine I think. On a $1 > transaction we lose 33 cents (3% plus a 30 cent fee) because the > account I set up is a Premier rather than Personal account. We lose > money vs having a Personal account, but not having to deal with the > complexity of having multiple accounts, and the ability to take credit > card based payments makes that OK in my book. Of course the more you > donate, the less we lose. > > All comments, complaints, dire threats should come directly to me, > rather than the ASLML. > > Thanks for taking the time to read this. > -- "2b|!2b?" (Hamlet) ASL - http://www.thuring.com/asl Quotes - http://www.thuring.com/life/quotes.html From geb3 at inter.net Thu Apr 24 05:15:54 2008 From: geb3 at inter.net (George Bates) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:15:54 +0900 Subject: [Aslml] RE2: ASLML donations - A "How-To" In-Reply-To: <4810672F.50703@thuring.com> Message-ID: <009401c8a605$009940b0$030ba8c0@RustyNail> > Cranberry Twp, PA Sounds truly bucolic. Does a river run through it? Cheers! - G -----Original Message----- From: aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net [mailto:aslml-bounces at lists.aslml.net] On Behalf Of lars thuring Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:56 PM To: General discussion list for ASL Subject: Re: [Aslml] ASLML donations - A "How-To" Paul Ferraro wrote: > Response seems favorable to having a member funded discussion list. So > here are the ground rules: > > A. This is voluntary, not mandatory > B. Keep in mind your donation doesn't mean you can't ever get kicked > off the list. You'd get your last dollar back if that happened, if I > know you paid it. :-) C. Decorum still counts. > > I have set up a PayPal account solely for the ASLML. You guys have > been trusting me for this long so I figure I can remian honest and > true about keeping ASLML money. What I'd like to do is this: > > 1. Recoup this year's spend (there'd be a disbursement to me) 2. > Accumulate $$ to pay the bill once a year (April 21st each year). 3. > Provide reports on the funding level (2-4 times a year?), obtained > directly from PayPal and sent to the ASLML. 4. I reserve the right to > say "Stop paying for God's sake, we won't live long enough to spend it > all!" 5. I'll pick a secret person or two to access the account in > case I get hit by a bus. > 6. I have no idea if I'll be able to track who paid. If that is an > issue, please don't donate. > 7. I may call for donations from time to time. If you already > donated, don't take that as a call to donate again. The announcement > would be directed to those who haven't donated unless the announcement > says otherwise. Oh my, that sounds rather lawyerly, doesn't it? The true Paul emerges! > So how do you donate? We'll use PayPal to start. Why PayPal? Well, > the company that hosts the ASLML (Dreamhost) takes PayPal as payment. > > The address to use for PayPal donations is aslmailinglist at gmail.com The check is in the mail. cheers, Lars > For those of you who don't have or use PayPal, you can always send a > donation to: > > Paul Ferraro > 304 Mossy Oak Drive > Cranberry Twp, PA 16066 > > I'll have to figure out a way to get the $$$ mailed into the PayPal > account, but I think I can juggle that. > > How much should you donate? I'd say that is up to you. If we got a > dollar or two per subscriber we'd be fine I think. On a $1 > transaction we lose 33 cents (3% plus a 30 cent fee) because the > account I set up is a Premier rather than Personal account. We lose > money vs having a Personal account, but not having to deal with the > complexity of having multiple accounts, and the ability to take credit > card based payments makes that OK in my book. Of course the more you > donate, the less we lose. > > All comments, complaints, dire threats should come directly to me, > rather than the ASLML. > > Thanks for taking the time to read this. > -- "2b|!2b?" (Hamlet) ASL - http://www.thuring.com/asl Quotes - http://www.thuring.com/life/quotes.html _______________________________________________ Aslml mailing list Aslml at lists.aslml.net http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net From mtrodgers99 at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 19:23:56 2008 From: mtrodgers99 at gmail.com (M Rodgers) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] The once and future list In-Reply-To: <20080423154442.BJBO9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> References: <20080423154442.BJBO9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <2b8228f00804241923q6e56b922u9a7f5e0fea1f5e9e@mail.gmail.com> The 2008 Canadian ASL Open will be in Montreal on September 19-20-21. I appreciate that you are maintaining the tournament list. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Bret & Julie Hildebran wrote: > > Please let me know if you see any errors or tourneys I've missed in the above list as I've been striving to keep it updated, but haven't tracked down all the '08 dates as of yet... > > > Bret Hildebran > damavs at alltel.net > www.aslok.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > -- Michael Rodgers Montreal From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 19:28:56 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:28:56 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Unpunched Squad Leader Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804241928i5eb5c2fbu66b1daa118d92960@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have an idea of what an unpunched 4th edition copy of Squad Leader is worth? -- Paul ----------------------------------- "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives of others." - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May 17, 1916 From pslogger at yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 07:38:13 2008 From: pslogger at yahoo.com (Paul Logger) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question Message-ID: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> A squad has placed a DC in the movement phase on a concealed unit. During Defensive fire, the squad lost concealment because it fired at one of my units. When the DC goes off in the Adv. fire phase, will the unit get concealment benefit at half fire power, or will the DC be full fire power since the unit is unconcealed at the time of the effects. Thanks Paul ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From snow at lasp.colorado.edu Wed Apr 30 07:41:36 2008 From: snow at lasp.colorado.edu (Marty Snow) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question In-Reply-To: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Paul Logger wrote: > A squad has placed a DC in the movement phase on a > concealed unit. During Defensive fire, the squad lost > concealment because it fired at one of my units. When > the DC goes off in the Adv. fire phase, will the unit > get concealment benefit at half fire power, or will > the DC be full fire power since the unit is > unconcealed at the time of the effects. > I'm pretty sure it's halved because the target was concealed at the time of placement. We put a "?" counter on the DC in these cases to remind us that it's halved. Marty Marty Snow marty.snow at lasp.colorado.edu http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~snowm/home.html From jrychetnik at btinternet.com Wed Apr 30 07:55:21 2008 From: jrychetnik at btinternet.com (Jan Rychetnik) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:55:21 +0100 Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question References: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c8aad2$38572b30$4001a8c0@your0cdc4f5844> Hi, It sounds a bit strange to me that the effects of the DC would be halved due to concealment when, at the time of the DC attack, the target is unconcealed. The phases in ASL are sequential, I believe, so if a concealed squad with a DC placed on it becomes unconcealed before the attack it must suffer the full firepower. However I'm not that sure on the matter!?! Jan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Snow" To: "General discussion list for ASL" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Paul Logger wrote: > >> A squad has placed a DC in the movement phase on a >> concealed unit. During Defensive fire, the squad lost >> concealment because it fired at one of my units. When >> the DC goes off in the Adv. fire phase, will the unit >> get concealment benefit at half fire power, or will >> the DC be full fire power since the unit is >> unconcealed at the time of the effects. >> > > I'm pretty sure it's halved because the target was concealed at the time > of placement. We put a "?" counter on the DC in these cases to remind us > that it's halved. > > Marty > > > Marty Snow > marty.snow at lasp.colorado.edu > http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~snowm/home.html > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > From john.slotwinski at nist.gov Wed Apr 30 07:58:12 2008 From: john.slotwinski at nist.gov (John Slotwinski) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:58:12 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question In-Reply-To: References: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20080430105653.01e946d8@mailserver.nist.gov> At 10:41 AM 4/30/2008, Marty Snow wrote: >On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Paul Logger wrote: > > > A squad has placed a DC in the movement phase on a > > concealed unit. During Defensive fire, the squad lost > > concealment because it fired at one of my units. When > > the DC goes off in the Adv. fire phase, will the unit > > get concealment benefit at half fire power, or will > > the DC be full fire power since the unit is > > unconcealed at the time of the effects. > >I'm pretty sure it's halved because the target was concealed at the time >of placement. Correct. >We put a "?" counter on the DC in these cases to remind us >that it's halved. That's a neat way to remember that. I'm going to steal that idea. js From snow at lasp.colorado.edu Wed Apr 30 08:05:34 2008 From: snow at lasp.colorado.edu (Marty Snow) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080430105653.01e946d8@mailserver.nist.gov> References: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080430105653.01e946d8@mailserver.nist.gov> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, John Slotwinski wrote: > >We put a "?" counter on the DC in these cases to remind us > >that it's halved. > > That's a neat way to remember that. I'm going to steal that idea. > Rodney Kinney taught me that one, so royalty checks should be mailed to him. I think it's a nickel per use, although he offers a bulk discount for CGs. ;-) Marty Marty Snow marty.snow at lasp.colorado.edu http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~snowm/home.html From klas_malmstrom at yahoo.se Wed Apr 30 08:05:57 2008 From: klas_malmstrom at yahoo.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Klas_Malmstr=F6m?=) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:05:57 +0200 Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080430105653.01e946d8@mailserver.nist.gov> References: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080430105653.01e946d8@mailserver.nist.gov> Message-ID: <48188AD5.8080200@yahoo.se> John Slotwinski skrev: > At 10:41 AM 4/30/2008, Marty Snow wrote: >> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Paul Logger wrote: >> >>> A squad has placed a DC in the movement phase on a >>> concealed unit. During Defensive fire, the squad lost >>> concealment because it fired at one of my units. When >>> the DC goes off in the Adv. fire phase, will the unit >>> get concealment benefit at half fire power, or will >>> the DC be full fire power since the unit is >>> unconcealed at the time of the effects. >> I'm pretty sure it's halved because the target was concealed at the time >> of placement. > > Correct. > >> We put a "?" counter on the DC in these cases to remind us >> that it's halved. > > That's a neat way to remember that. I'm going to steal that idea. I usually also place a CX counter on the DC if the placing unit was CX at the time of placement. With regards to the concealment issue, the relevant rule is A23.1: "...It is not subject to FP modification for PBF/TPBF, use in the AFPh, or for any form of Area Fire other than concealment at the time the DC is Thrown/operably-Placed (or detonated if Set)...." Regards, Klas Malmstrom From tom_jaz at yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 08:08:26 2008 From: tom_jaz at yahoo.com (Tom Jazbutis) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:08:26 -0600 Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question In-Reply-To: References: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004e01c8aad4$0b57ef00$2207cd00$@com> > > > > I'm pretty sure it's halved because the target was concealed at the > time > of placement. We put a "?" counter on the DC in these cases to remind > us > that it's halved. > > Marty > >From the compiled Q&A: "A23.4 If a unit operably Places a DC, and then declares Double Time to gain one MF, does the +1 CX DRM still apply to the DC's attack? If a DC is operably placed on a concealed target, but that target losses its "?" prior to the DC's detonation, is the DC attack still resolved as Area Fire? A. No. Yes. [Gen26.5; An91; An95w; An96; Mw]" I was so looking forward to giving Dr. Snow a hard time as to how he could make that call....alas, I am stymied. From david at starfire.utias.utoronto.ca Wed Apr 30 08:08:46 2008 From: david at starfire.utias.utoronto.ca (David Elder) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:08:46 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question In-Reply-To: References: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48188B7E.4060601@starfire.utias.utoronto.ca> Hi All, Marty Snow wrote: > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Paul Logger wrote: > >> A squad has placed a DC in the movement phase on a >> concealed unit. During Defensive fire, the squad lost >> concealment because it fired at one of my units. When >> the DC goes off in the Adv. fire phase, will the unit >> get concealment benefit at half fire power, or will >> the DC be full fire power since the unit is >> unconcealed at the time of the effects. >> >> > > I'm pretty sure it's halved because the target was concealed at the time > of placement. We put a "?" counter on the DC in these cases to remind us > that it's halved. > Though keep in mind that any concealment caused area fire is not applicable when checking for rubble creation - so the DC would still check for rubble effects on the 30 table and then be resolved vs. the infantry as area fire. Cheers, David From snow at lasp.colorado.edu Wed Apr 30 08:13:36 2008 From: snow at lasp.colorado.edu (Marty Snow) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:13:36 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question In-Reply-To: <004e01c8aad4$0b57ef00$2207cd00$@com> References: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <004e01c8aad4$0b57ef00$2207cd00$@com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Tom Jazbutis wrote: > I was so looking forward to giving Dr. Snow a hard time as to how he could > make that call....alas, I am stymied. > If I was always wrong, I wouldn't be Enigmatic! Marty Marty Snow marty.snow at lasp.colorado.edu http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~snowm/home.html From john.slotwinski at nist.gov Wed Apr 30 08:15:01 2008 From: john.slotwinski at nist.gov (John Slotwinski) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:15:01 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question In-Reply-To: References: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080430105653.01e946d8@mailserver.nist.gov> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20080430111410.01dbe2d8@mailserver.nist.gov> At 11:05 AM 4/30/2008, you wrote: > > That's a neat way to remember that. I'm going to steal that idea. > >Rodney Kinney taught me that one, so royalty checks should be mailed to >him. I think it's a nickel per use, although he offers a bulk discount >for CGs. ;-) I clearly said "steal" not "license." ;-) js From damavs at alltel.net Wed Apr 30 08:17:48 2008 From: damavs at alltel.net (Bret & Julie Hildebran) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:17:48 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question Message-ID: <20080430151748.RCLZ9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> "Tom Jazbutis" pontificates: > >From the compiled Q&A: > > "A23.4 If a unit operably Places a DC, and then declares Double Time to gain > one MF, does the +1 CX DRM still apply to the DC's attack? If a DC is > operably placed on a concealed target, but that target losses its "?" prior > to the DC's detonation, is the DC attack still resolved as Area Fire? > A. No. Yes. [Gen26.5; An91; An95w; An96; Mw]" > > I was so looking forward to giving Dr. Snow a hard time as to how he could > make that call....alas, I am stymied. Well you can always fall back on the tried and true "all v1 Q&A is obsolete and superceded by v2 of the rules" if you really want to give the good Dr. a hard time. 'Course this one was actually clarified in v2 of the rules, so it's probably not your best tact, but that wouldn't stop some... Like Klas, we'll also mark DC's to detonate CX as well as concealed to ensure we remember what effects should be applied when they do finally go boom... Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org From damavs at alltel.net Wed Apr 30 08:25:16 2008 From: damavs at alltel.net (Bret & Julie Hildebran) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:25:16 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Falling Burning Rubble? Message-ID: <20080430152516.PEBG22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Last night "Wild Bill" & I had a quandary come up. Terrain blaze in a stone building with Level 1 & we roll up gusts. It's pretty clear that you roll random selection to see which building hex collapses into burning rubble. But then you also roll for falling rubble. Is the falling rubble also burning (i.e. blaze) in its new hex? Flame? Just ordinary rubble? In our scenario it didn't really matter so we went with falling burning rubble, just because it seemed much cooler to envision the flaming boulders falling into the building next door & immediately setting it alight, but...Should we have? Thoughts? And this is a key rules question - sure to come up once every thousand games at least...Hopefully I remember the answer in 2028 when it next comes up in one of my games! Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org From david at starfire.utias.utoronto.ca Wed Apr 30 08:46:43 2008 From: david at starfire.utias.utoronto.ca (David Elder) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:46:43 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Falling Burning Rubble? In-Reply-To: <20080430152516.PEBG22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> References: <20080430152516.PEBG22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <48189463.9050403@starfire.utias.utoronto.ca> Hi! I think this one is actually covered by the rules ... B24.6 Fire: Rubble can be kindled in the same manner as a building. For the purposes of Spreading Fire, rubble is considered "part of the same building" as any ADJACENT rubble. A building level which contains a Blaze when it is rubbled and falls into other Burnable Terrain immediately places a Blaze in that terrain also. Similarly, any rubble which falls into a blaze is automatically set ablaze. Rubble is also listed as burnable terrain in the index. However, Flame is extinguished by falling rubble. Cheers, David Bret & Julie Hildebran wrote: > Last night "Wild Bill" & I had a quandary come up. Terrain blaze in a stone building with Level 1 & we roll up gusts. It's pretty clear that you roll random selection to see which building hex collapses into burning rubble. But then you also roll for falling rubble. Is the falling rubble also burning (i.e. blaze) in its new hex? Flame? Just ordinary rubble? > > In our scenario it didn't really matter so we went with falling burning rubble, just because it seemed much cooler to envision the flaming boulders falling into the building next door & immediately setting it alight, but...Should we have? Thoughts? > > And this is a key rules question - sure to come up once every thousand games at least...Hopefully I remember the answer in 2028 when it next comes up in one of my games! > > Bret Hildebran > damavs at alltel.net > www.aslok.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email webmaster at aslml.net > -- David Elder University of Toronto david at starfire.utias.utoronto.ca Institute for Aerospace Studies Tel: 416-667-7891 or 905-839-8180 Fusion Research Group Fax: 416-667-7799 From tom_jaz at yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 09:23:30 2008 From: tom_jaz at yahoo.com (Tom Jazbutis) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:23:30 -0600 Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question In-Reply-To: <20080430151748.RCLZ9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> References: <20080430151748.RCLZ9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <005e01c8aade$87ab9610$9702c230$@com> > > > > I was so looking forward to giving Dr. Snow a hard time as to how he > could > > make that call....alas, I am stymied. > > Well you can always fall back on the tried and true "all v1 Q&A is > obsolete and superceded by v2 of the rules" if you really want to give > the good Dr. a hard time. 'Course this one was actually clarified in > v2 of the rules, so it's probably not your best tact, but that wouldn't > stop some... > A cheap shot at best.....and I wouldn't be able to stretch out and prolong the experience as Marty would soon realize that I was in no mood to be denied by a mere official, yet technically obsolete, ruling. From damavs at alltel.net Wed Apr 30 10:35:56 2008 From: damavs at alltel.net (Bret & Julie Hildebran) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:35:56 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Falling Burning Rubble? Message-ID: <20080430173556.BCMW22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> David Elder writes: > I think this one is actually covered by the rules ... Well that one was too easy - I'll try to do better next time! Given it happened sometime after 1 AM we didn't dwell on looking for the rules & thus didn't do an exhaustive search. Thanks for the rules quote - mildly surprised it's so overtly stated, but now I know... Bret Hildebran damavs at alltel.net www.aslok.org From paul.ferraro at gmail.com Wed Apr 30 10:58:56 2008 From: paul.ferraro at gmail.com (Paul Ferraro) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Aslml] Demo Charge Placement question In-Reply-To: References: <234753.82910.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <004e01c8aad4$0b57ef00$2207cd00$@com> Message-ID: <635ae5ca0804301058s769c6dd4w7d66df567ced8c28@mail.gmail.com> > If I was always wrong, I wouldn't be Enigmatic! Marty DID make a mistake. He meant to say "If I was always wrong, I wouldn't be Enigmatic (tm)!" From eit11205 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 00:44:10 2008 From: eit11205 at yahoo.com (CLAYTON QUEEN) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Aslml] List Message-ID: <710532.13742.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Everyone, Very much in favor of donating to the list. It has served for me a way to discuss rules, unique situations, board issues, quality of products, errata, scenarios, tournaments, how improve my game, AAR's and even more. This game is an obbseesion with me and the more gateways into the game for younger as well as new players the better. I donate for the game. C ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From eit11205 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 25 00:54:56 2008 From: eit11205 at yahoo.com (CLAYTON QUEEN) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Aslml] Unpunched Squad Leader In-Reply-To: <635ae5ca0804241928i5eb5c2fbu66b1daa118d92960@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <782448.68741.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Paul, Let me know, what you get, as I have a shrink wrapped version of Cross of Iron. Clayton --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Paul Ferraro wrote: > From: Paul Ferraro > Subject: [Aslml] Unpunched Squad Leader > To: "ASLML" > Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 7:28 PM > Anyone have an idea of what an unpunched 4th edition copy of > Squad > Leader is worth? > > -- > Paul > ----------------------------------- > "The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness > into the lives > of others." > - Lord Robert Baden-Powell, September 1940 > > "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, > ignorance may > deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." > - Winston Churchill, Speech in the House of Commons, May > 17, 1916 > _______________________________________________ > Aslml mailing list > Aslml at lists.aslml.net > http://lists.aslml.net/listinfo.cgi/aslml-aslml.net > To unsubscribe, visit the above website, or email > webmaster at aslml.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ